Guest#, your link to the NY Times article by Khaleb Diab says virtually the same as he does in the link I posted here: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=154376&messages=1412&page=2&desc=yes#3636008 the one to which Musket remarked "What's all this bollocks about wine etc?" and to which I responded "Good ol' Musket, clueless as ever - talk about thick. "