The palistinians have had a state since prehistory, actually, but we (the rest of the world) don't recognize it as a place today... and yes, they lost, but they still seem to be there and not be israeli, so what are they? Stateless? Citizens of Jordan etc? If they could belong to a greater nation that wasn't jewish, wouldn't they want to? And if so, why aren't they hip to the idea of the Caliphate? Are they the wrong kind of moslem, Ali v. Omar?