the trouble is Musket, that there a lot of people with weird views. you think rationalism will always prevail - try reading the average Muslim kids essay on homosexuality, abortion, etc.

my old man was a copper in the days when policemen staked out the bogs in the park to catch men and women cottaging. you can imagine his views on the liberalisation of the laws forbidding homosexuality. all kinds of circumstances can lead to you having contrary views.

you can't just cut these people out of the fabric of society. and cutting up rough - well its just a blind alley which leads only to despair.