"Civil"???
'There comes a time in all men's souls' when the flow of bile and inhumanity.... to misquote The Kingson Trio.
One minute the destruction of hospitals is:
"make up the ludicrous "hospitals pounded to rubble" invention."
Next minute reduces to:
"Israel could easily reduce all Gaza's hospitals to rubble in just a couple of strikes. It is self evident that they are not trying to"
Now, after "Three hospitals, five health centres and seventy two schools" - silence, not worth a mention, what they deserve, allowed for by the rules of war.... whatever.
At least David Irving made an effort to give a little respectability to his hatred with pseudo-historical research - with this gobshite its just they didn't do it because they said so.
As I said, "Holocaust denier shit!", pure and simple.
Keith more than once has declared himself a Christian, and in the best condescending Christian tradition, informed me that he 'prayed for us' - his regular outpourings of hatred and inhumanity must be have come from a different 'Gentle Jesus' who was said to have 'walked among the poor', and 'blessed the meek' and 'the peacemakers'.
His 'Christianity' puts an entirely new slant on the phrase, 'suffer the children' - god save us all from all such religions.
"so do a lot of people with political persuasions"
Why is it so important with you people to pin a "political persuasion" on those you disagree with - rhetorical question - it saves you the bother of trying to deal with the points they raise.
One of you bent over backwards some time ago to get me to state my political position and allegiances - handy weapon to give to those you disagree with in these arguments.
I have no allegiances - I despise or distrust most politicians, and those I do respect leave me uneasy by their chosen careers, and their exposure to corruption and betrayal.
If anything, inhumanity, injustice and cruelty does it for me every time - enough here for me to end my life an angry old man.
Where's Osborn, Pinter and Wesker when you need them? - have to do with Loach, Dobbs and Plater I suppose - ah well!!   
Jim Carroll