"I see where good old Jim is using "civilization" in that silly, tendentious & emotive, sense again"
Blame John Dean Potter" - it was a direct quote, I forgot to add the closing quotation marks - sorry, but then again, it saves having to respond to the humanity and the logic of the statement, doesn't it?
The fact that some people seem either unable or unwilling to approach these subjects with emotion and humanity very much accounts for some of the views they express.
Jim Carroll