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Thread #150703   Message #3647283
Posted By: Jim Carroll
01-Aug-14 - 07:30 AM
Thread Name: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
I don't care what Hamas subscribes to - I don't support Hamas and never have.
I am concerned with human beings and what is happening to them - not a century ago, but now.
Go and squabble about maps somewhere else.
"Why not try convincing Hamas to stop attacking Israel?"
Count the dead women and children, the destroyed hospitals and schools, the devestated homes and work out for yourself who is attacking who - it really isn't difficult.
"Neither Keith A or myself ever stated that we approved of anything of the sort."
"all you have come up with is some sniper rifles"
"Snipers have to practice - they do rather a lot of it."
"Non-lethal crowd control techniques are preferable to live rounds"
"Even liberal democracies have to deal with riots."
All in relation to the sale of military equipment to a dictator in the process of slaughtering his people is approval enough for me.
"Export Licence applied for and approved in 2009"
Move in the right direction I suppose - you have always claimed it was never approved.
Assad was murdering and torturing for at least ten years before the Arab spring demonstrations - he should never have been sold military equipment in the first place - but are you seriously claiming that snipers shooting down Syrians in 2011 could not have been trained two years earlier - are you out of your mind?
The officers directing the slaughter would have had to be seasoned veterans - receiving their training - when exactly (please don't try to bluff your way with pseudo military bullshit - leave it for the pub tonight)?
It boils down to a simple point really - Britain shouldn't sell anything to fascist thugs - we were aware of Assad's human rights record and his torture chambers yet he was sold arms and equipment).
"Where? When?"
You didn't claim that Pinochet overthrew an elected government murdered those he did because the ignored the constitution?
Must have been somebody else posting in your name.   
He was a soldier and he headed an extremely bloody military coup, slaughtering thousands in the process - Thatcher, by describing what he did as "democratic", supported that coup and the results of it - you by denying her part in it and by describing Pinochet as "Good/Bad, just like Cromwell" supported what both Pinochet and Thatcher were - political thugs - enough to confirm my opinions of you.
"studiously ignored..." -nothing - I have given my opinion over and over again on all the questions you have raised
You have a habit of ignoring answers then claiming they have not been given.
The only tangible point you have made is that the Gazans should surrender and throw themselves at the mercy of the people who have just butchers over a thousand of them, destroyed their homes schools and hospitals and are set fair to do so all over again if their demands aren't met
Sorry - no time to waste on right-wing headbangers.
Jim Carroll