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Thread #150703   Message #3648978
Posted By: Teribus
07-Aug-14 - 01:50 AM
Thread Name: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
Interesting parallels raised both by GfS and "Guest,hw" whose rather naive solution is:

"End the Siege of Gaza, Stop building settlements on stolen land, Dismantle the Wall and move it to the UN recognized 1967 border.
And Western leaders, get some guts and tell the Zionists to piss off

Boycott, Divest, and Sanction"


The demand would appear to be that Egypt and Israel must "End the Seige of Gaza" immediately and unconditionally. But Hamas and the Palestinians have to do nothing, leaving them free to "import" whatever weaponry they require (readily supplied by Iran) to resume attacks on Israeli civilians. Sorry "Guest,hw" that isn't going to happen. Only a complete and utter idiot would go along with that - only a complete and utter idiot would propose it.

"Stop building settlements on stolen land" the only land stolen from Palestine was Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank - They were stolen by the Egyptians and Jordanians in 1948 and illegally occupied for nearly 20 years - I note that you have never raised any objections to that. In 1947 the Arabs of Palestine were offered a Two State solution that they rejected, the Jews of Palestine accepted them - Now because the Arabs rejected that deal the plain simple fact of the matter is that there are NO agreed and established borders defining any Israeli and Palestinian states - stop pretending that there are.

"Dismantle the Wall" - Oh you mean the wall that has saved Israeli lives since its construction, preventing sniper attacks and bombers crossing from the West bank into Israel? The peace wall will stay, but as you stated:

"Dismantle the Wall and move it to the UN recognized 1967 border.

You already seem to recognise that fact and accept the necessity of there being a wall - Only trouble is, placed along this mythical recognised 1967 border (Which in actual fact is recognised by no-one) the Wall would not serve its purpose, it would be ineffective. Plus the fact that "going back to 1967 borders" gives Gaza to the Egyptians and East Jerusalem and the West Bank to the Jordanians. Or again is it only the Israelis who must act and commit to meeting the terms and conditions of this deal?

There can be no peace, there can be no settlement, there cannot even be any meaningful talks until the two following conditions are met:

1: Attacks on Israel launched from inside Palestinian territory MUST stop completely.

2: A clear and unequivocal statement has to be made covering all Palestinians that the right of Israel to exist as a State is recognised and that the population of Israel has the right to exist and live their lives in peace and security free from attack and the threat of attack from her neighbours.