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Thread #150703   Message #3650615
Posted By: Teribus
13-Aug-14 - 05:41 AM
Thread Name: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
Oh dear Christmas, oh dear!!

There will never be any right of return offered to any Jewish refugee - the matter has never been raised.

There are no recognised borders as the Arabs of Palestine and their neighbouring Arab "friends" and "allies" rejected those proposed by the UN in 1947, decided to fight in 1948, a fight they lost so they had to seek a ceasefire in 1949 - only land "stolen" then was Gaza (By Egypt) and East Jerusalem & the West Bank (By Jordan). While the newly created State of Israel lived up to the terms and conditions of the ceasefire agreement brokered by the UN the Arabs of Palestine and their neighbouring Arab "friends" and "allies" did not - and generally that has proved to have been the pattern since then until today.

Show me any Hamas/Fatah/Palestinian Authority map of the region showing the Two State solution that they say they are fighting for Christmas - I won't hold my breath, because no such animal exists, you know that and I know that - the world and its dog knows that. Unfortunately Christmas as that is the case that leaves the problem with only one solution - let them get on with it, the people of Gaza, the people of the West Bank know that if you attack Israel you in turn will be subjected to retaliation. They also know that the IDF is far, far more capable than any force they can muster - Hamas in their charter call for annihilation of the Jews (Note that Christmas - the Jews NOT the State of Israel) so if they see annihilation as the only acceptable solution then they must recognise that that very same fate might be visited on them, after all what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

The conditions that the people of Gaza have found themselves living under have been entirely the result of choices that they have apparently freely made - they did elect Hamas and then Hamas saw fit to do away with any further elections. The difference in priorities is rather striking if you compare the approach taken in Southern Israel and in Gaza regarding threat to civilian populations:

Israel: Spend money in first creating an effective warning system and building shelters for the population, then link it to an anti-missile defence system.

Gaza : Spend money, time effort and lives smuggling weapons, explosives, rockets and missiles into what must number as being the most densely populated places in the region. Use cement supposedly provided to improve the lot of the civilian population to build underground command centres and refuges for the Hamas "leadership" and to construct "attack" tunnels leading into Israel. Hamas then mount indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks on the population of Southern Israel using the population of Gaza as "human shields" knowing that they have no protection from the retaliation that you know will come.

You tell me Christmas which set of "leaders" values the lives of the populations they are responsible for protecting more? Israeli, or Hamas - Perhaps those casualty figures you keep wittering on about actually tell you?