Your last comment Don.

You realise that is usually the point where pete and his mates give a self satisfied smirk and say they have won?

I just love the idea he reckons Saint Joe isn't a true Christian. Whilst feeling a sense of empathic hurt for Joe and every other rational person who enjoys the belonging and comfort of their faith, it serves to demonstrate the irrelevance of those within churches, mosques and temples who wish to impose their superstition on others.