"I have never uttered a word of support for what they do" - Christmas

And significantly not a single word of outright condemnation either Christmas

"I have placed the blame for the them having the power that they have where t belongs" - Christmas

You apparently think that the fault is OURS - Well Christmas old son IT AIN'T

Christmas if you cannot answer a simple and direct question why not just state that? The answer of course to my question relating to the   territorial gains (Taking over the homes of Gazans) you claim has happened is that there have been none. The borders of GAZA have remained the same since the unilateral and complete withdrawal of the Israelis in 2005 - That by the way Christmas is a fact - and if those in Gaza want the borders open and the blockade lifted then all they have to do is stop attacking Israel - It really is THAT SIMPLE.

No apartheid state - not now, not in the past and not in the future - Same cannot be said for those who "govern" the Caliphate - but no Jews so no news eh Christmas?

You seem to have a penchant for living in the past Christmas - fancy in 2014 quoting alleged past co-operation between Israel and South Africa which ended 25 years ago as being relevant today? I'd call that idiotic.

"You and a small coterie defend Israel. Thus there is something to argue about." - Richard Bridge

You deny Israel the right of self-defence?

"Nobody is defending IS etc so there is nothing to shout about there." - Richard Bridge

Nobody is condemning them either are they Richard, condemnation on this forum is reserved for the big,bad west and for Israel - all others irrespective of the atrocities they commit are given a free ride.

"Some of you try to smear Islam by association and then there is something to shout about. Simple." - Richard Bridge

What IS do is done in the name of Islam Richard so it is IS who besmirches the name of Islam - seen the latest IS flag burning craze amongst moderate Muslims Richard?

"some career menschen seem to want to defend Israel's claim to lebensraum. So there is a need to shout at them." - Richard Bridge

I find your use of the word "lebenstraum" rather offensive but that was your deliberate intent wasn't it? But there again Richard you have never lived in a small country surrounded by it's enemies all calling for and threatening your annihilation. A small country that for the last nine years has been subjected to a barrage of thousands of projectiles and rockets aimed indiscriminately at sections of your civilian population - which is why you witter on about "Israel's claim to lebenstraum" - I personally would call it Israel's right of self-defence. I would sincerely hope that if I lived in Dover and the French launched as much as one single missile at the community in which I lived that the British Government would do something about it - wouldn't you? But we are not talking about one single missile here Richard are we? We are talking about thousands launched over a protracted period - so get your head out of your arse and accept that if Israel is attacked it is perfectly justified in striking back - that is called self-defence.

But to get back to this "lebenstraum" thing of yours. There happens to be an enormous flaw in your argument. I previously asked Christmas to show me any map of what the Palestine Authority/Hamas/Fatah/Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad perceived as being the borders for this "Two State" solution which they say they are fighting for. All I got from Christmas was "Fuck the maps". I now challenge you to come up with a map that shows what the Arabs of Palestine say would be "their" country. I won't hold out any hope of ever seeing one because the map does not exist because they have no interest whatsoever in a two state solution.

Simply put, because the Arabs of Palestine rejected the UN's offer in 1947 there are no recognised borders. The Arabs of Palestine were given their "homeland" for their exclusive use in 1923 (77% of the Mandate of Palestine) they rejected the UN's proposal in 1947 because they wanted more, and after their humiliating defeat in 1967 they then wanted it all - that remains as being the case today.

By the way Richard if you doubt me on there being "no borders" just read through all the past ceasefires brokered by the UN and broken by the Arabs and you will find common to all that the ceasefires are agreed with the exception of them constituting in any way acceptance of borders. So the next time you hear any Palestinian spokesperson talking about 1967 borders just remember that no such border exists to define any state of Israel or any State of Palestine. Besides the 1967 borders defined borders between Israel, Egypt + Egyptian occupied Palestine, Jordan + Jordanian occupied Palestine, Syria and Lebanon. And should there ever be a lasting agreement, the one thing that you will be able to guarantee will be that Israel will be defined by borders she can defend.