Jim Carroll
I have become extremely tired of saying that I am perfectly happy with newly composed songs being included in a folk song evening - you damn well know this - I have advocated it in all my arguments
Yes, I know. I am just trying to find out what the objective criterion is that makes those songs "acceptable".

- I have stated the my main influence has been MacColl - who wrote more contemporary songs using folk forms than most people had hot dinners
The list I put up were people who were doing likewise.
Your influences and your list are neither here nor there. Other people have different influences and different lists. What makes yours right and theirs wrong?

That isn't a subjective judgement - it's something that can be verified by merely comparing the forms.
You have stated frequently that folk songs are not defined by style or form but by derivation and process. How can you compare forms if there are none?

it is a matter of what is acceptable to someone who might have a little idea of what the term means based on what has gone before
How can you possibly say that isn't subjective?

You, rather dishonestly, entered into this discussion by suggesting that I might go to your club brandishing a copy of '54 - I have many disagreements with you, but I expected a little more from you than that.

I responded to what you had said -

Walk into a folk club and you your probably be told "Piss off, we don't need a definition" - and quite likely be asked to leave, judging by the way some of these discussions end up.
I need a fairly solid definition for whet we choose to do

You would only be asked to leave if you were causing a disturbance by demanding that the material performed fitted some sort of definition. The only definition that I know of is the 1954 one. If that is not what you meant, please tell me what "fairly solid definition" you want people to conform to. (And I didn't say "brandishing ".)

After several requests, you have finally got round to responding to my first question - a little late, but better late than never, I suppose.
I never felt any obligation to answer that question since you weren't answering mine. Howard Jones was giving perfectly satisfactory answers which you were ignoring so why bother. I did, however, give an answer in my post of 11 Sep 14 - 11:33 AM which I then quoted and expanded on in my post of 15 Sep 14 - 01:39 PM. I further developed the point yesterday in my post of 16 Sep 14 - 01:23 PM. All a waste of time since you still haven't got the point -

So calling a club 'folk' no is longer an indication of what goes on there

anymore than calling a place a restaurant guarantees what you will find. Look the place up, read their advertising, read the reviews. At the very least, stop and read the menu outside before walking into an Angus Steak House and demanding sushi. The Singers Club and The Court Sessions would never have had any customers at all if people had relied on what it said on the label.

little wonder that someone who has claimed the clubs are in the bloom of health
Never said anything of the sort. Your contention is that what you like to think of as folk music (still poorly defined) has all but vanished from UK folk clubs to be replaced by 1950s pop and heavy metal. My contention is that this is not so and, yes, the fact that I am here deeply involved in folk music and regularly meeting people who are similarly involved while you are sitting in County Clare reading about it on the internet is relevant.

I await with some interest to see if you get round to answering my other question, do you find putting on 1950s pop et al, a fair way to treat people who have turned up to listen to folk songs?.
A complete non question. I have never experienced this and you have provided no evidence that it happens. I don't think "I seem to remember that it was a Sussex folk club that was offering pop hits from the fifties on their 'folk', though I might have mis-remembered that one." will stand up in court.

You still haven't answered the question I asked in my post of 02 Sep 14 - 01:13 PM -
How can I tell whether the works of Brian Bedford, Roger Bryant, Jon Heslop, Mike O'Connor, Graham Moore, Mick Ryan, Lennon and McCartney, Sandra Kerr, Buddy Holly, Frankie Armstrong, Bob Dylan, Gordon Sumner... fit in with "what it says on the tin" for a folk club?

As for his running mate, The Skibbereen Stalker
I think Dick is motivated more by his hostility to you than any great desire to support me. I haven't taken much notice. You, on the other hand, thanked Teribus warmly for his support.

not the stuff idea sharing is made of, as far as I'm concerned. Ya gorra larf.