Chet, here's another "yeah, but..." posting: One theme I was going to develop early in this thread (I started but had to quit and go make music) was that the rappers just reflect the corporations in this country and this world: Gangstas may practice more overt violence on the streets they inhabit, but the corporations (and the governments they own--including our own) are guilty of far more violence and are as little committed to the good of society, and with far less excuse: they aren't coming from a background of poverty and despair. --seed