I suppose its like discussing the Hillsborough disaster and what happened there with a South Yorkshire police officer....

Thanks for saying what my mindset is by the way. For fuck's sake, don't let me ask you what the time is, or where the gents are.

The sad fact is, men were led by incompentent top brass, on a wave of jingoism and their methods of engaging in the theatre of war led to unnecessary death and sheer slaughter on a scale they were, up till it became fashionable to be proud of failure, rightly castigated and made to be ashamed of.

Our past is a stain on the memory of a generation we pushed into the machine guns and celebrated another half a yard of mud for another few months.

The more you keep selectively quoting commentators who by their nature look for angles away from the norm, the more stupid you look.   Now, I don'thave a problem with that. I have a mate who gets all upset and thinks we are all thick for believing men went to the moon. Just bcause someone is gormless doesn't make them bad in general.

But calling people dumb for weiging up the evidence and forming accurate conculsions just makes your credibility about zero. Keith I can understand. He plays with his toy soldiers all his life and sees military leaders as heroes, so it must hurt to grow up and see that they are not society heroes after all, but gung ho callous fools. Keith can't handle that. Hence the childish "you lose" comments that perfectly describe his immature approach.

But you seem to be the real thing. Rather intriguing in an irrelevant kind of way.