"So, quoting historians in a debate about History is gormless and infantile behaviour!"
Quoting historians you haven't read most certainly is.
Attempting to score points is
Ignoring inconvenient fats if.
Reducing these discussions to mindless "winning" and "losing" T.V. games shows most certainly is - "You lose" - 7 so far on this thread, 12 on the other.
You consistently do all.
You debase these discussions with you egoistic obsession to "win" - an obsession based on ignorance of all the subjects you involve yourself in - you have become a figure of fun with your obsessive behaviour.
Jim Carroll