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Thread #156062   Message #3680658
Posted By: Teribus
28-Nov-14 - 02:15 AM
Thread Name: Oh! What a Lovely War! - BBC Radio 2
Subject: RE: Oh! What a Lovely War! - BBC Radio 2
"I recall all the well run, governance rich, assurance strong hospitals I assessed that had well motivated staff, few vacancies and excellent patient feedback............... the teams I led were there because the coroner was concerned about all the Clostridium difficile related deaths.

...................Till they came to what we found. You see, we started at the cemetery and worked backwards. There was a time WW1 studies did similar."


Ho hum Musket another reality check for you.

1: YOU didn't start at the at cemetery and work backwards - the Coroner did - you started, or should have done, with the autopsy/post mortem reports and worked back to where those bodies had come from. After all Musket where would they have looked under your system if they had all been cremated?

2: While I can compare the 375 deaths of British soldiers on active service (Note: Active Service as opposed to being at war as in 1914) in Afghanistan being killed in action in Afghanistan over the course of 13 years to the additional deaths to the expected norm of 1,200 people who died attending the A&E department of Stafford Hospital over the course of four years and then make a decision call on which place was more dangerous to be in and in which place you stood greater chance of dying. In studying a conflict or a war (i.e. events where fatalities among your enemies is the planned object and among your own troops are fully anticipated and where sudden and violent death is considered to be the norm) then starting at cemeteries does not really help you.

3: In the early stages of this thread I stated the following:

"The British & Commonwealth Armies in general throughout the entire course of the war were well led in comparison to the armies of any other combatant power and far from that being based on "unqualified assertion" that can be proven by examination of whatever metric you would care to use to judge success."

So let us use your preferred metric for success and start at the cemeteries and look back from there:

Here are the statistics relating to those who ended up in cemeteries for the principal combatant nations engaged on the "Western Front" from the outset:

Britain - Population 45.4 million, % deaths 1.79% to 2.2%

France - Population 39.6 million, % deaths 4.29% to 4.39%

Germany - Population 64.9 million, % deaths 3.39% to 4.32%

Straightforward military deaths:
Britain - 888,246
France - 1,397,800
Germany - 2,037,000


OK then Musket which of the principal combatant nations engaged on the "Western Front" from the outset ended up requiring the least amount of space in these cemeteries you would be looking at?