As far as a thread that started out to be on patriotism is concerned, this thread has gone completely pear-shaped. The arguments about homosexuality rear their rears heads again (with the usual suspects--one wonders why always them...?) and Donald of the Firth tries to warn what's-his-face from the asylum that the barbarians are at the gates and the goofy one gets religion. When he finds himself staring out through the barbed wire, he's still not going to know what happened.