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Thread #156239   Message #3683122
Posted By: Jim Carroll
06-Dec-14 - 03:08 PM
Thread Name: BS: I am not an historian but........
Subject: RE: BS: I am not an historian but........
"Jim, do look at all the links and quotes "]
I went through all (6) links - which you claimed to represent the overall view - they do nothing of the sort, nor do they back up what they do have to say with anything substantial.
two of them use 'Oh What a Lovely War' and 'Blackadder' as a target, as if these were being presented as a serious analysis of history.
Your De Groote (the armaments man) quote amounted to on single line of around a dozen words in support of Haig - no argument included, no reason why he was a good general....nothing, which is proof enough that you have sought out promising looking titles without even bothering to read them.
Nobody is claiming that some historians don't agree with some of the things you are arguing, but what you have done is gather a list of names of possible disenters to the common view, lumpedf them all together and claimed that they all agree with everything you say - utter nonsense, as someone has already pointed out.
This is exactly the same tactic you used to support your arguments on the Famine and here, jus as there, it has backfired.
There you presented Christine Kenealy as your star witness - do quote you directly "she knows more that the rest of us put together" - then "oh calamity" (as Alastair Simm was often heard to remark)- she turned out to be a supporter of the "Irish Holocaust" theory.   
Here you backed Max Hastings as your proof - he turned out to be 'The Enemy of the People' (according to the conservative Spectator) in his hatred of the British Military establishment.
Eacjh time you find yourself at a loss for arguments, you erect a barricade of (unread) historians and use them as a substitute for argument.
You have made yourself a figure of fun with your transparency.
You hold extremist views, yet you reject argument contrary to your own as "leftie extremist" as if the only people entitled to an argument are those to the far right of Ukip - such as yourself.
You don't present views, because you haven't enough knowledge of these subjects to hold rational views.
All your arguments on all these subjects appears to be 'the establishment is never wrong'
Never mind eh - it helps pass these cold wet winter nights by giving us all a bit of a giggle.
Keep up the good work old chap - pip, pip.
Jim Carroll