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Thread #156062   Message #3683762
Posted By: GUEST
09-Dec-14 - 02:09 AM
Thread Name: Oh! What a Lovely War! - BBC Radio 2
Subject: RE: Oh! What a Lovely War! - BBC Radio 2
To continue the Kitchener cut'n'paste game, I found these two:

1: "On 2 June 1916, Lord Kitchener personally answered questions asked by politicians about his running of the war effort; at the start of hostilities Kitchener had ordered two million rifles from various US arms manufacturers. Only 480 of these rifles had arrived in the UK by 4 June 1916. The numbers of shells supplied were no less paltry. Kitchener explained the efforts he had made to secure alternative supplies. He received a resounding vote of thanks from the 200 Members of Parliament who had arrived to question him, both for his candour and for his efforts to keep the troops armed; Sir Ivor Herbert, who, a week before, had introduced the failed vote of censure in the House of Commons against Kitchener's running of the War Department, personally seconded the motion."

So the man who was the driving force behind the bid to censure Kitchener in Parliament ended up seconding a Parliamentary vote of thanks to Kitchener after Kitchener had been given the opportunity to explain the position to politicians who wished to question him. Tell me again who was it that won the Great War - IIRC the victory celebrations were held in Paris, in London and in New York, NOT in Berlin or in Vienna.

2: "Since 1970, the opening of new records has led historians to rehabilitate Kitchener's reputation to some extent. Robin Neillands, for instance, notes that Kitchener consistently rose in ability as he was promoted. Some historians now praise his strategic vision in World War I, especially his laying the groundwork for the expansion of munitions production and his central role in the raising of the British army in 1914 and 1915, providing a force capable of meeting Britain's continental commitment."

In other words if Kitchener had not done what he did between 1914 and 1916 Great Britain and the Allies would not have won the First World War.