The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #156292   Message #3686055
Posted By: Jim Carroll
15-Dec-14 - 06:38 PM
Thread Name: Ken Wilson - 'Lovely on the water'
Subject: RE: Ken Wilson - 'Lovely on the water'
"It was not common for uk traditional singers to use this technique,"
So what - it was not common for most town dwellers to sing folk songs, but we sing them and we use whatever tachniqes we can muster to enable us to get to grips with them.
Very few traditional singers sang ballads, lyrical songs, comic songs, shanties, broadsides, songs they learned from their parents and songs from from books - not many learned them from records - certainly none of them learned them from the internet - most singers do now - nothing wrong wit that - or is there.
Traditional singers used all kinds of gimmicks to sing their songs - pipe imitations were fairly common in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland (ceanntearacht), or they sang for dancing (Puirt à beul).
One of the most entertaining songs I have ever heard is by an Irish singer who imitates bagpipes, fiddle, flute, whistle, concertina... and a couple ore during the course of one song.
Go further afield and you find Mongolian singers singing through their throats and noses at the same time or Irtubu Pygmies imitating bees so they can collect honey without being stung, or Peruvian monks imitating the gods they believe in - folk singing is really very adventurous and exciting when you examine it closely
Bert Lloyd did not "contrive" to be contrived - he did it for the reasons I have stated - he used a traditional technique to produce a hard tone - with as much respect as I can muster, I pointed this out to you some time ago, up to which point you were totally unaware of it, but if you have managed to gather more information on it since, I would be fascinated to hear it.
"I think your attempted analysis of Kens singing is not something i agree with."
Fine - I promise I won't attempt to stop you from expressing this opinion - how about you showing the same courtesy, after all, this is what these forums are for?
Jim Carroll