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Thread #156088   Message #3686206
Posted By: Teribus
16-Dec-14 - 09:38 AM
Thread Name: WWI, was No-Man's Land
Subject: RE: WWI, was No-Man's Land
"Nick Hewitt was on. (Historian according to The BBC) speaking about Kitchener and specifically his death.

As introduction he tells of the pals brigades. "It took Kitchener two years to form them. It took the Germans a morning to destroy them." He went on to say "Kitchener was already dead by the first attack of The Somme, so didn't see the awful results of his mistakes. He was at the time of his death fired from his operational duties for his incompetence with regard to not only Galipoli but the Western front running out of ammunition."

He doesn't agree with the conspiracy theories regarding his death but did say his death was convenient for those now in charge looking for sympathy for the war effort."


Nick Hewitt is a Naval Historian that is his specialisation and judging from the remarks attributed above it shows.

1: "It took Kitchener two years to form them. It took the Germans a morning to destroy them."

What??? We lost some 1,260,000 men in one morning??? I am assuming that Mr Hewitt knows what destroyed means, being a historian and all - Hewitt's statement is utter rubbish of course.

He is talking about the first day on the Somme which cost the British Army just under 20,000 lives in one day in an offensive that Haig was ordered to undertake with men he did not feel were ready. The battle did, like Verdun taking place a bit further down the line, degenerate into a battle of attrition and Haig and Great Britain's first ever "Citizen Army" of volunteers raised by Kitchener came out of it confident that they could defeat the best the German Army could throw at them. The German Army on the other hand had lost the very best of their troops at Verdun and on the Somme and knew at the end of 1916 that they could not defeat either the British or the French on the Western front.

""Kitchener was already dead by the first attack of The Somme, so didn't see the awful results of his mistakes."

What mistakes? He was tasked with raising an Army - That is exactly what he did. It was his Army that having survived its baptism of fire in 1916 that eventually won the war in 1918.

Perhaps Mr Hewitt can tell us when the British Army ran out of ammunition on the Western front - I cannot for the life of me find any record of that.

Were those "now in charge looking for sympathy for the war effort" Sympathy from whom?