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Thread #156222   Message #3687451
Posted By: Bill D
20-Dec-14 - 06:50 PM
Thread Name: BS: Well, I'm not a scientist...
Subject: RE: BS: Well, I'm not a scientist...
"Everything which is made has a maker, and intelligence can not ,has never been seen to, arise from mere chemicals."

Pete... that is something between a tautology, a slogan and an opinion. It makes all sorts of assumptions which depend on interpretations of 'make' and 'maker'. It is very close to just saying everything has a "cause", but even that simpler form needs explication of the context in which one is discussing causality. It *seems* to be intuitively obvious, but when examined carefully, it just depends on linguistic conventions.

I will grant that your meaning 'might' be true, but we can't exactly 'see' the beginning, any more than we can see 'evolution' as a process. MY point is that even IF there was a Creator such as you believe in, all the evidence we can gather merely describes, as best we can, what happened after Creation. I do wish that your 'simpler' version could be verified, but it is not something that anyone can ever know... barring some Divine intervention... like writing in the sky in all languages.