This is one of several occasions Keith has wrecked threads by hiding behind doctored and invented quotes from historians he hasn't read
His stonewalling war of attrition, his pesonsl rule-making (only living historians, for Christ's sake, what historians handbook did that come from?) and his egotistical desire to "win" just drives the topics into the ground.
I suggest that this should be the last time he is allowed to get away with it and that, if he should resort to it again he should be boycotted.
It adds nothing to our knowledge of these topics and it certainly destroys any pleasure the rest of us might get out of them - it really is no fun taunting the village idiot interminably.
Jim Carroll