Steve, Lighter and Teribus both agreed with my points and their knowledge of the history and historiography was greater than that of anyone here, myself included.

Gratifying though that was, my case was just that all historians agree my points and none support you.
And that is the case.

Jim, you lied "hiding behind doctored and invented quotes from historians he hasn't read"
If it is not a lie, produce one.
Confident prediction, you never will.

I have been scrupulously accurate with each historian quote.
You lie.

I did refer to, not quote, some Guardian hack.
He dismissed those old discredited historians with two separate words.
I only referenced one, which did not change the meaning one iota.
I only put it in for your interest as Guardian readers.
It was not a historian and not a quote, so no part of my case anyway.