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Thread #156239   Message #3687711
Posted By: Jim Carroll
22-Dec-14 - 05:35 AM
Thread Name: BS: I am not an historian but........
Subject: RE: BS: I am not an historian but........
"Hastings and Sheffield, on who was to blame."
Hastings is not the "qualified historian" you have demanded from the rest of us - proof enough of your dishonest attitude
Neither is the author of your Guardian article - further proof.
"Not one singles out Britain and most exonerate Britain"
Neither do most of them single out any other nation - as you have claimed.
"and most exonerate Britain."
No they don't - most have not mentioned blame, MacMillan says it is wrong to apportion it, as have others.
You have claimed the war was against "German tyranny - the product of a century old war propaganda, not historical analysis   
"Irrelevant anyway because I expressed no opinion about events before August 1914."
s the causes war of war have been dated to events as far back as 1905 by historians, you have no basis for claiming who was to blame - yet you persist in doing so - why?
The point in ll this is you have no view of your own other thn "the establishment is never wrong"
You have gathered disparate and often contradictory quotes, one from one historian and one from another and all out of context, cobbled them all together, rejected all contrary opinions as "invalid", and on this basis, claimed a 'consensus of view' on the war.
There is no consensus (your revisionists have said that themselves by describing themselves as "correcting the popular view) - this is why you still refuse to link us to your evidence that there is one.
"who the fuck are you to call those men stupid"
He/she didn't - you are the one who treats those who disagree with you as stupis, both in word and attitude.
Who the fuck are you to claim "we lose" and you win when you and your little band of brother#s (which includes a ravig homophobic anti-liberal who supports the views of the views of a mass-murdering fascist) stand alone in this argument - you have no other supporters here yet you treat us all as - what's your favourite word - "Muppets".
Prove us wrong simple as that.
Jim Carroll