my point is that debate, discussion, should be able to occur wthout insults, you are quite right i have given up looking at the tedious drivel ,so its possible he may have LATER resorted to insults,
however GREG YOU CALLED ME AN ASSHOLE IN TRAINING, [the irony is that I do not agree with Keith] and you then referred to him as an asshole at that point he had not insulted anyone.
calling people names weakens arguments[ that applies to both camps], and brings the forum into disrepute.