Steve Shaw, you present so many straw men and other logical fallacies in your protestations and complaints there is no point - I'm not defending myself against your obtuse view of how moderators or members in general should behave. You're just trying to change the subject back to you.

This thread has gone into the toilet, like every other one that had potential to actually discuss an interesting topic. Some of you called on others to come trot out their favorite soap box issues so you could have another slug fest about it. We know how all of you feel about these topics, you talk about them all of the time in any thread you can hijack to your favorite fighting venue. You don't need to keep arguing about how others feel. Leave those festering scabs alone and talk about other stuff, that you do agree about.

My moderator's "Close Thread" button looms - it's time to end this before it becomes worse. Thanks for trying, Ed_T.

SRS