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Thread #156792   Message #3697090
Posted By: GUEST,Allan Conn
26-Mar-15 - 08:26 AM
Thread Name: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
Teribus stop twisting my words I said the referendum was a democratic success which it obviously was. That is turnout was just shy of 85%; the electorate was engaged; and it was for the most part a completely peaceful process - with the only real blight being the BNP type mini riot the day after. I did not suggest the Yes side won or anything like that merely stated it was a success for democracy!

As to the figures sorry but you can't count people who didn't vote as being on one side of the argument or the other. The facts are that 15% of people didn't vote so they din't vote. That can just as much be described as them not caring about saving the union as not caring about independence. 53.23% of people either voted to end the union or apparently didn't care whether it was saved or not. Referendums don't work like that though. We only counted the people who actually voted.

As to my area well of course what counts is the votes in the country as a whole - and not one local gvt area. But your words don't take account of what has happened since either. The membership of the SNP has quadrupled during the intervening period and now sits on 100,000 people. In the polls for both the forthcoming Westminster and next year's Holyrood elections they have left Labour trailing in their wake and it has been increasing in all areas of Scotland. Even the local Tory Party here now see Michael Moore as dead and buried and the main rival being the SNP candidate!

The SNP may only have got 10% of the vote in the last General Election here but they then got 24% of the vote in the Holyrood election and some pundits even have them in front now for the election. Personally I think that John Lamont will get in here for the Tories. The pundits predicting 50 or more SNP seats base that on uniform voting across the country not taking account of local factors. Seemingly the Nat leadership themselves are expecting something short of 40 seats.

As to your last paragraph well sorry I read things completely different from you. I don't see where the leadership has either lied or renaged on their promises and as per the first post in this thread there is plenty evidence of an anti-Scottish attitude from the Tory party in England and some of the media. You choose to not recognise it but I do, it made Achmelvich start this thread; and it even has die in the wool unionists like Alex Massie baulking.