yes, but its never by the rich....its ostly by the poor buggers on PAYE.

That's the whole point! If no-one has any money, who is going to pay for it? As I said earlier there is nothing wrong with funding a social policy through business generated capital. It is far preferable to funding it through the poor buggers you mention! This is one of the major points of government and perhaps the most worrying. Leaving an economy in the hands of well meaning amateurs is a recipe for disaster.