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Thread #156848   Message #3700977
Posted By: Teribus
10-Apr-15 - 05:43 AM
Thread Name: BS: voting? (UK)
Subject: RE: BS: voting? (UK)
"In the opinion polls in the run up to the referendum a sizeable majority of Scots (whether they were Yes or No supporters is irrelevant) supported that there should be a referendum."

"In the run up"?? Here is how it stood at the time that the UK Government offered to legislate to provide the Scottish Parliament with the powers to hold a referendum, providing it was "fair, legal and decisive":

"What Scotland Thinks Poll" - 15th January 2012
Question: Do you support or oppose holding a referendum on Scottish Independence?

Refused to answer = 0%
Don't know = 18%
I support holding a referendum on independence = 35%
I oppose holding such a referendum = 47%

There is the evidence that it was only wanted by a minority.

"What Scotland thinks Poll" - 18th December 2014
Question: When, if ever, do you think there should be another referendum on Scottish independence?

Don't know = 6%
Immediately = 13%
After 2024 = 14%
Between 20019 & 2024 = 18%
Before 2019 = 22%
Never = 26%

There is the evidence that another referendum on independence immediately, or in the term of the next Scottish Parliament is only wanted by a minority - and guess what? That minority polled in December 2014 would appear to be exactly the same percentage (35%) of those polled as wanted a referendum in the first place in January 2012.

There was a clear mandate and it is only sore losers who'd suggest otherwise. People who don't vote don't vote. That is our democracy!!

And the resultant vote in the referendum for for Scottish Independence was? Out of 3,619,915 valid votes cast 2,001,926 voted NO and 1,617,989 voted YES - sore losers? That is our democracy, yet neither the SNP or the YES campaign supporters seem to accept the declared will of the electorate of Scotland. So if there is "a strong vocal minority (about 26%) opposed to it on principle" who have to accept it because that is life, then the same must be true of the other strong vocal minority (about 35%) who are demanding that a referendum be held with the term of the next Scottish Parliament - TRUE?

"the way Scottish and the wider British electoral system works is that" minority interests and issues can be forced through and imposed on the majority without their approval.

" We do not also litter general election ballot papers with individual issues."

Oh I think that it has been done before and in cases as important as this I think that it should be standard operating procedure. Then everybody knows where we stand and we do not waste valuable time, money and resources by imposing unnecessary, bitter, divisive and damaging referenda on the country.

Your next bit is contradictory. What is that Sturgeon has actually said? One minute you say that she says that there will be no promise of another referendum in their 2016 manifesto - then she says there will be?

She cleverly talks about the next election which of course are UK National General Elections where of course there will be no mention of Scottish Independence, she and the entire SNP would be complete and utter idiots mentioning another referendum in the manifesto for that election - "Come on vote for us we intend to break up the United Kingdom" - it advertises a recipe for disaster after the country (Scotland) has rejected the notion.