You might as well just have a wank. In a debating sense, you are anyway.

Religion fucks you up. pete demonstrates that continually, but at least he is consistent which is fair play given the intelligence level displayed. Keith on the other hand seems ashamed of the absurdity he defends at times and seems to be going through an "I am not religious" phase. To date, his "I am religious" posts outnumber them by a wide margin.

Two people who, strictly speaking, it is self indulgent to try to engage in debate with.