Immigration does not push down wages, Keith. Exploitative employers push down wages. That would be largely British, largely white, largely male, largely middle-class capitalists, Keith. It does not help when we have a government that lauds "job creation" at any price: frozen wages, zero-hours contracts, inadequate part-time hours for millions, bogus apprenticeships on diddley squat per hour, job security thrown out of the window, trade union smashing, demonising benefits claimants and forcing claimants into fake self-employment. That's what pushes down wages, Keith, not people coming into the country who want to better themselves and work hard. As has been said here more than once, immigrants to this country provide a net economic benefit and always have done. I don't give a damn what Miliband says. Miliband has to suck up to the anti-immigration lobby (your sort, Keith) during an election campaign. Stop pretending that lofty principles are at stake here.