It might be useful to differentiate between being "religious" and views / influence of a church and what they think they can tell people to set their moral compass by.

As Peter has just pointed out, the Vatican has called this a defeat for humanity. It I s possible to heap scorn and contempt on that corrupt festering criminal cess pit of a club without questioning someone's take on superstition.

This isn't about religion at all but it is certainly about those people and organisations who bastardise the faith of their believers to promote hatred, discrimination and bigotry.

Isn't it amazing that those who promote discrimination here seem to use a God concept to justify their shameful stance whilst those who rejoice common sense and decency make it clear they see medieval nonsense as irrelevant. Kind of confusing when the marketing for Jesus usually shows happy smiling people hugging each other.

Poor Joe. I really do see that you don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water, but it isn't half leaving a scummy tidemark these days..

"Defeat for humanity..." Jesus wept, as the ironic saying goes.