i see ed t is leading this discussion, who a few years ago was denying torture and killing olf native children. pretty much until it appeared on the national news on all three Canadian national channels. the official 6000 dead is still rising. it used to be a few hundred then a thousand then ythree thousand. there were approximately fifty thousand children who are unaccounted for. a full third of the residents. they are only counting those they know what happened to. this is a direct parallel to Nazi holocaust denial. mess with the numbers and ignore murder and compensation.

and the churches were part of the larger imperial plan and got paid well. the Anglican and Presbyterian churches were allowed to use their ministers as magistrates in many reserves. they fined the locals their land for the offence of not attending church. about half the money collected in that land grab was sent to the Scottish Presbyterian church and the English Anglican church. it was good business stealing native land.   there is a well documented case in british Columbia of magistrate Webster who seized hundreds of thousands of acres of excellent forest land then sold it to the major logging companies for a kick back and to finance the church in England Scotland and locally.   the native never got it all back. the court system is so stacked aginst them they had to face forty more years of litigation or settle for half. so any idea that it's all int he past is just more holocaust denial. natives are still suffering the effects and still arte owed compensation for abuse and for the stolen land.

of course there is almost no point in trying to discuss this with mudcatters. holocaust denialist all around.(joe defends actual Nazis when given half the chance --so long as they are nice middle class and have nice middle class families)

and joe tries to turn the conversation to Armenia to deflect the fact his catholic church was convicted of torture in Canadian courts. and sexually abused and murdered many children. AND attempted to have the torture convictions sealed against all Canadian law--criminal courts are public.

these evil churches and their evil leaders stole and raped and right up to recent years have been on a vicious campaign to discredit anyone fighting for native rights.. look at the treatement of kevin annett, who publicly exposed the magistrate scandal of land stealing in british Columbia. demonized, expelled from his church and followed by the secret police every day. with bill c 51 he will be on terrortists watch list--wait and see. all of this is easily documented if one cares enough to look it up--(I used to be told by racists like gno, q and ed t to prove it)

this isn't restricted to canada. they did this all over the british empire. look at the Kenyan land grab and the incarceratioln of over a quarter million people to try and stop the land revolt--including children as young as eight and torture and major malnutrition in captivity. on pine ridge reservstion there were over 400 murders of native never investigated by the fbi or anyone else.   because they asrmed the people who did it to break native resistance. and the united states and their churches armed the Guatemalan regime that murdered a quarter million natives who were trying to get their land back. the anglo empires have done the land grab world wide and stopped at nothing to retain their money. to bad most of you have your heads in the sand and clearly espouse totally racist and genocidal opinions.
.shame on almost all of you.