"or put another way you completely ignored historical fact, logic and reasoning."
Exactly so Teribus, that is how they approach every issue under discussion.

That is what comes of being a slave to a political ideology.....they cannot afford to reason.....or educate themselves, one brick out of the wall and the whole tottering edifice collapses in a cloud of dust, so they are forced into a siege mentality of denial, or vicious abuse.

Their whole lives are centred around a pseudo left wing stance based on myth and how they would like the world to be.........how do they manage that trick, given the mass of information which is now available?