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Thread #157421 Message #3717940
Posted By: GUEST,Riah Sahiltaahk
21-Jun-15 - 07:10 AM
Thread Name: BS: Unfit for SCOTUS
Subject: RE: BS: Unfit for SCOTUS
I think you've opted out Riah, I'm not a creationist, but it would be good for the discussion if you could accede to pete's quite proper request?
There can only be discussion with common ground, and common ground needs common language born from a common understand of a common reality. Thus the request is, I fear, far from a proper one; on the contrary, it is improper in the extreme. Can we ask the creationist, I wonder, to provide evidence of God? I think, perhaps, not. In their blind faith they don't require evidence; indeed, even the very lack of evidence is considered to be evidence in itself, and thus any logic is rejected in favour for the baseless absolutism that is the cornerstone of any fundamentalist delusion.
We are, each of us, privileged to live in this material cosmos of wonder, elegance, marvel and beauty, and the more we discover, so the more wonderful it gets. The more we acknowledge and consider it, so the more our very lives are enriched by it. Everything from Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to Darwin's Theory of Evolution to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity are enrichments to our understanding of the universe and our place therein. All this has taken aeons of great ingenuity, vision, wit, cunning, insight, genius and intuition to bring into being, with minds as sharp as that of Stephen Hawking taking their place in a tradition of inspirational enquiry that in the very best of all that is human. Thus we may imagine the very limits of our Solar System defined by the vast Oort Cloud which no one has ever seen, nor yet will ever see - indeed, the Voyager 1 spacecraft (currently travelling at around 11 miles per second) won't emerge from therefrom for a conservative estimate of another 20,000 years. And what of that missing 85% without which none of it would work anyway? Questions, questions! And questions are the very meat of it.
And yet, to the creationist, it is all accounted for by a myth made up around 1,400BC, which, by my calculation, is round about the time the photons now reaching us from NGC 2353 (AKA Avery's Island) set out from that distant cluster to inspire further the dreaming wonder without which our very humanity would be meaningless. Which, of course, to the creationist mired in the rank superstition of their noxious theology, it is anyway.