"Jim , no point challenging, you can't reason people out of things they have not been reasoned into."
Let me help - what you are trying to say is "I have no challenge to anything you have written".
Every single thig I stated is historically documented, has been aprt of my upbringing throughout my life (my 'thing' is 19th and 20th century European and social history) and is, I have no doubt, Googleable (not felt the need to do so here, a really believed it was common knowledge)
You wish to challenge anything I have said - Google away (that goes for your mates too).
Your starter for ten
Jim Carroll