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Thread #157739   Message #3725735
Posted By: Jim Carroll
24-Jul-15 - 04:54 AM
Thread Name: BS: Queen Mother
Subject: RE: BS: Queen Mother
"Center for the Study of Genocide and Human Rights"
Seen that one Keith - exactly what difference does it make to the argument other than it being yet another cut-'n-paste you have dredged up?
One of the great mysteries about the Ukraine famine is that there has been virtually no serious research into the facts of it - it is usually something that those who think the world is a wonderful place and in need of no change, toss round and points at saying, "Look, if you upset the apple-cart, this is what will happen" (pretty much as you are doing here).
The old Soviet regime superficially defended it, but between them, nothing conclusive was ever decided on and it remains a propaganda ping-pong.
The Canadian research study was interesting in that, if you set a totally neutral group of people in front of the known facts, the result remains inconclusive - it remains an enigma
There is one fairly comprehensive work that was written in the 40s defending the action of The Soviet Union, but it was written at a time that makes it suspect, and I'm sure people like yourself would fall over yourself to point out that the author was a Trades Unionist and "not a real historian" and therefore, not to be trusted, especially as he comes up with a different claim than your own.
For me, The Ukrainian Famine is a plum ripe for plucking for those who would show us the evil ways of communism - why hasn't it been plucked, why does it remain floating out there in no-man's land?
Anyway - scrabble away with your cut-'n-pastes and let's see if anything new emerges
Meanwhile, for those seriously interested in the history of the period (and not just winning prizes), I really would recommend the highly readable, 'The Kings, Depart', by Richard Watt, history at its very best, covering the period from the end of World War One, through to the rise of the Nazis.
"The usual suspect saying "If it were true, the historians would have had a consensus about it." -
You're right Muskie - comforting to know nothing changes and God is still in his heaven
Jim Carroll