See what I mean?....that is the sort of thing the closed thread should have been addressing, foul, groundless abuse.

My remarks earlier had no reflection on the quality of beer, I no longer drink alcohol but have sunk a few pints of Youngers Heavy in my day. The owner of old family firm of Wm Younger and Son, was a friend and customer of mine, he explained the art of brewing to me.
Mr Younger unfortunately died recently....Their "logo" was an old gentleman with a white beard and stick....."Father William".

Regarding the closed thread, I take Mr McGrath's point, but beer was introduced to the discussion fairly early on and at regular intervals thereafter.....usually when the "aficionados" were getting the worst of the debate, run out of answers, or simply necked one bottle too many!.....    :0)