Sorry for absence, just back from HD.

Big Al says...."i bet Ake feels like he's been set upon by a gang."

The gang don't bother me Al, they are like children. As Keith says, they simply have no reasoned response to my criticisms of the legislation.....they flounder about in their own ideology trying to insult, intimidate, browbeat, bully, but no reasonable argument for the redefinition can be found.
I would just say Al, that I do not yet go around muttering to myself, I am quite sure of the seriousness of this issue and try to be as accurate as possible in everything I print.
I have discussed the matter of homosexual "marriage" with the three couples who live in my vicinity, none wish to avail themselves of it and are quite happy to explain why. They see themselves as "different" to heterosexual family orientated people and are quite proud of the difference.....they have no wish to conform to heterosexual norms.

Only the densest idiot would hold to the case that all was well in male homosexual health.....the problem of course is intrinsic to the lifestyle, both the levels of promiscuity and the sexual practices involved in male homosexual behaviour.
In many cases homosexual "marriage" and union involve not just two men, but two men who are "married" or in Civil Union (primary partners) and a group of sexual partners known to each of the primary partners.   This is known as "The new monogamy" and according to the health agencies "open" relationships are one of the biggest risk factors in the MSM demographic.
Male homosexuality is demonstrably dangerous and unhealthy, the latest 2013 figures are a staggering 81% of all new infections amongst MSM....these results for HIV
, but the results for most male STDs are similar.

In conclusion most of the real liberals on this forum reside in the USA with the very honourable exception on this thread of AL, Keith and Hilo. There are others, but Steve, Raggytash or Dave the Troll do not rank amongst them.