Well Joe, I don't own this thread or the conversation, but you shifted the subject below the line because I made a comment on a music thread about Mudcat attracting some right-wingers. I didn't actually say "conservative". That was your take and I don't object, but personally I find the word "conservative" a bit too confusing to be useful in a discussion on political stance. I call Amos 12.44 pm as witness to that. I think that the examples you give are right-wing. I think I'm merely going along with the general current understanding of that expression. I've been criticised for what I've said (I'm OK cos I'm a big lad) and I'm perfectly prepared to be corrected. See above post of mine responding to Big Al. I await.