Well what else can you do, Kevin? Why do you think I'm telling Joe to do his own looking? "On the lines of Steve" is hardly fair. I invite anyone who thinks I'm making it up to do some digging. Joe is showing every sign of avoiding that like the plague. But there is plenty about her that is incontrovertible. Many of her quotations are on record verbatim. Context is everything, of course, but when someone says that Aids is your just dessert for being homosexual, or that mothers who abort are murderers, or that the poor shouldn't fight back, it's quite hard to find any context that mitigates. But you're right. As with any controversial matter, you have to apply your judgement about stuff you find online with skill and wisdom. But it isn't impossible. It does require removal of blinkers, however. And that isn't meant as a barb. It's meant as a plea.