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Thread #158296   Message #3742595
Posted By: Jim Carroll
09-Oct-15 - 03:40 AM
Thread Name: BS: Tory party conference
Subject: RE: BS: Tory party conference
""of course you do, why wouldn't you","
Keith is anti- immigration and so are you
You have taken to defending Keith's excesses
What do you think I meant?
Lip service to "differences" do not get away from the fact that you share Keith's politics in general - you are both of the right.
You choose not to answer about Powell (answer enough in itself)
Can we get it clear about immigration.
Despite claims of the right, Britain is not an overcrowded country due to its immigration policy
Housing shortages and lack of accommodation is due to the predatory nature of the money-making property industry and it is centered round the south-east of England where the work is - where there are jobs, prices rocket - a legacy of the Thatcher regime.
This would be the case if there were no immigrants entering Britain.
Is is regularly said that immigrants drive down the wages of the indigenous population - they do not.
Ruthless employers prepared to replace British workers with those prepared to work for less do this.
The right in Britain either smashed or bought off the unions that, to some degree negotiated a living wage for its members and replaced it with the free-for-all that now exists.
Britain has a partly enforced minimum wage policy which falls far below a necessary living wage - S.F.A. to do with immigration - everything to do with greed.
Britain bears a responsibility to accept both economic immigrants and refugees.
Historically, we are responsible for the state the colonies were left in following the fall of the British Empire.
You asked once how long we have to go on paying for past crimes - as long as it takes to put it right.
We fill our shops with cheap goods produced under near slave, dangerous and often lethal conditions - it is little wonder immigrants seek a better life here.
The entire history of Britain is based on our own economic migration - only we sent armies of soldiers and priests to 'civilise' and plunder the places we went (within my lifetime certainly)
For all the problems Britain has, it remains a wealthy country due to our history of Empire - unfortunately that wealth is mainly centred in the hands of the few - not the fault of immigrants.
You sneer at the people in some of these third-world countries who try to better their lot - your "so called" Arab Spring protesters - what are they supposed to do - bend their neck and put up with their lot? - apparently so, you offer no alternative.
The West, in its dealing with despotic feudal dictators, takes a large share of responsibility in what is happening there.
Isis would never have got to where it has had the West done what it is now doing in Syria.
We have an actual, a moral and a humanitarian obligation to welcome these people (god knows here God features in the thinking of those who claim to be Christians in these matters - totally beyond me.
Anti-immigration was once the stamping-ground of the fringe nutters - the The National Front, B.N.P., the rabid right as typified by Powell, so extreme, he was considered to far off the wall for his own Party and only accepted by Northern Ireland Unionists.
Now it is main line policy - neo Fascists like Farrago and his Ukippers, official Tory Party policy - the Labour party (hopefully due for a change-of-=heart under a new leader.
Anti-immigration has become a vote-catcher based on the Xenophopbia drummed into us all by centuries of our being told that we were the finest on the planet.
Surveys have indicated that over 50% of the population holds and has openly expressed racist vies at one time or another - not a thing to be proud of.
Anti- immigration can only help to inflate that shameful statistic.
Jim Carroll