Quite so. I think you know that I respect your views on most things and appreciate the measured way you express them. I didn't really mean to play the man there, though I can see that that's how it may have come across. To put the point more diplomatically, I think it's rather a stretch to deny that Jesus' uniqueness in being the only person ever to have been born of a virgin has nothing to do with putting him above the murky and sin- filled world of sex. Of course that was the idea. The Church needed Jesus well clear of that world so that it could exploit it as an instrument of control, unfettered by direct divine carnal involvement. By the Church's fruits shall we know it.