It is not true that I don't respect your academic achievements Steve . It is true however, that I don't accept your conclusions. It is one thing being achieved , but quite another being able to defend what you claim is true, rather than appealing to authority and numbers as you and shimrod have just done.          Interesting that dark matter and dark energy are " genuine discoveries " despite what I have read from a cosmologist.   But of course , as he is a creationist he is a priori an idiot to your mind whatever qualifications he has. !      As I said before , we admit the faith factor while you deny yours , but are unable to demonstrate that which you assert is so.      So I take it, you still think I should read Krause , even though you are unable to articulate how he asserts the plausibility of a universe from nothing.    I don't think so.....