so everyone has to lie about what they experience. or risk being upbraided by you.

Not in the slightest, Al. You experienced a bunch of criminals looting a shop. End of story. Whether they were east Europeans, Black, White or Martian should not and does not have any relevance.

And what about you repeating the lie that east Europeans increase lawlessness? You seem to be concentrating the statement that I found least offensive and ignoring the other one. Why is that?

PFR - Same here. One if my Mum's favourite phrases is 'I'm not a Jew, just a careful Christian.' Acceptable from an 84 year old lady but, hopefully, getting less and less mainstream.

And, yes, you are right about ordinary run of the mill blokes like us arguing. Which is why I keep suggesting putting an end to it. But while I am being accused of lying, threatening, making things up and all sorts of other nonsense, I will keep defending myself.

I am, for the record, keeping a full record of this thread from the point that the subject was brought up again. Just in case.