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Thread #158223   Message #3748100
Posted By: Steve Shaw
02-Nov-15 - 06:57 AM
Thread Name: BS: The Pope in America
Subject: RE: BS: The Pope in America
Joe Offer tries to depict science as aloof from imagination and storytelling. That's one little step away from creationism, despising of all things science. Not only is that arrant nonsense, he is also trying to deflect from the substantive point that the only thing wrong with myths and stories is the way that people with certain predilections abuse them by telling their followers that they should believe that they are true. The ancient Greek art, poetry and sculptures and all the rest, including the mythology, are wonderful in their own terms and are pinnacles of human culture. Culture and science are the twin peaks of humanity's endeavours. But you are misusing your own cultural icons, which is a tragedy. You talk about being open-minded. But your faith does not teach you to be open-minded. Precisely the opposite. The only way you could even remotely claim to be open-minded would be to say that you are open-minded within the extremely constricting ring fence of the bottom line of your belief system. You tell children that there is certainly a God in heaven, that the virgin birth happened, that Jesus worked miracles, that he came back to life, that there was a real Noah's ark and a real flood (at least some of you!), that we are all stained with original sin unless we sign up, etc., and to make it palatable you dress it all up with pretty details about Angel Gabriel, shepherds, wise men and King Herod killing babies, all of which did not actually happen. This is all fine as long as every child is told from the outset that none of these things is true but that the stories can tell us good things (I suppose even Harry Potter can do that, at least if it only means that someone reading it isn't actually shooting at somebody). I read all of the Aesop's Fables that I could get my hands on when I was a little lad and they fired my imagination and probably instilled some ideas about morality in me, but I always knew that they were just stories, told by a wise man. The difference is that your stories are promoted as the truth, and the people telling them are not wise men but men like popes, bishops, priests and cardinals (and an evil old Romanian nun, lest I forget) with seriously ulterior motives.