A couple of things, Keith. First, understand sarcasm. Second, if I talk about God persuading, I'm not talking about his denying free will, am I? Suppose I see you heading for a public lavatory in Hertford that I know hasn't been cleaned for weeks and is full of germs and I try to persuade you not to use it, but you go and use it anyway. I haven't negated your free will, have I? Typical Keith. Deliberate mischaracterisation gets us enmeshed in a load of nonsense. Move swiftly on, Keith. You're USCWAP.