Well yes bill, if the folding only happens over deep time, I can see that it can't be observed, and you have to then interpret the data. Now you say , or imply , that ...science....shows us this happened,,however ....science....has shown us lots of geologic processes before ( supposedly ) that have turned out to be wrong in light of subsequent geologic activity or experiments conducted . ...science...has also said lots of things cannot happen quickly, but then had to revise when it did.. ( of course, if Steve or shimrod ask me for examples or "reference please"...just" do your homework" !) the fact is you need to come to the conclusions you come to, whether current or the ones revised now, because you require deep time for your belief. It is your "primary premise"