Well, Joe, I haven't actually met any of these born-again chappies. As an atheist, I've been happy to engage with thoughtful fellows like DMcG and McGrath. I disagree with them like buggery and none of us pulls our punches. But you're different. You're defensive and incredibly worried and, as Dave describes and as I can attest, you resort to silly insults. Once again, I note your risible use of the word "blathering", which makes me think that you think you're beaten. You're being seriously taken on and you show every sign of not being used to being lured out of your comfort zone. Tough. Welcome to the real world.