I did a bloody great big long post in response to Joe's, but the damn thing is on its way to Proxima Centauri, never to be retrieved. I blame the God squad.

Just a couple of things. From Joe: "others believe otherwise, I can learn from them without compromising what I believe myself."

Rather rigid, eh, Joe? So you don't listen, do you? Just a tad absolutist, eh?

And this:

"Steve sez: he has nothing to do with the diversity, complexity and beauty of life on Earth, as evolution by natural selection explains all that. In response, I'd say God IS "the diversity, complexity and beauty of life on Earth, as evol[ved] by natural selection" - or vice versa."

You really are beginning to look rather suspect, Joe. Would you like to take a little time out to find out what evolution actually is? The worrying thing is that I'm getting rather close to having the same conversation with you as I've "enjoyed" down the years with pete.